Old conservative email
My Mom sent me a old email I have seen before, that talks about how wrong the Democrats are in their opposition to the war in Iraq. It is a little old, since some of the items are already way out of date, but I thought it would be fun to go through each statement and look at them individually. Anyway, I thought I would post it here also! :)
There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of
January..... In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the
month of January.
This is a strawman argument if I ever saw one. I have heard this argument from conservatives before, they make it as if to say that combat deaths are no big deal, since we have more people dying in one of our American cities. There are a number of problems with that argument.
The first is that the deaths in Detroit are not necessarily preventable. They could probably be reduced if we had reasonable gun control in the U.S., but conservatives don’t want that either. However the deaths in Iraq were entirely preventable. We didn’t have to invade Iraq. Bush made that decision, and it was a choice, not a necessity. If Iraq had truly been an immediate threat to the U.S., then maybe this would be different, but we now know they had no WMD stockpiles, they had no current WMD programs, they had no ties to Al Qaida, and they were not involved in 9/11. They were not an immediate threat, and therefore the war was a war of choice.
So every death in Iraq is a preventable one. Each of these 39 soldiers would likely be alive today if it wasn’t for that choice. Since the start of the war, over 700 U.S. soldiers have been killed, over 5000 wounded, thousands of Iraqi’s have been killed, and 200 billion dollars have been wasted. All for that choice.
Also, this argument tries to make the death rates comparable. However you have to remember that Detroit has 4.7 million people. There are only 130,000 U.S. soldiers in all Iraq. You are 40 times more likely to die as a U.S. soldier in Iraq, that you are to be murdered in Detroit.
Also, this argument leaves out all the other deaths in Iraq, as if the Iraqi people themselves are irrelevant. There have been thousands of Iraqi civilian deaths, some estimates up to 10,000 just during the initial invasion, although around 3,500 is more likely. Iraqi civilians continue to die every day as the result of murders, combat, bombings etc, that are all boosting these numbers.
That's just one American City, about as deadly as the entire war torn
country of Iraq.
When some claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war, state
FDR... led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us, Japan did.
From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per
This statement is false. Japan physically attacked the U.S, but Germany also declared war on the United Sates. The United States did not choose to go to war with Germany, the war was declared on them. Germany felt it had to support its Japanese allies, and also felt that the U.S. would inevitably join at that point, so it needed to.
Also, there was a real threat from Germany. Germany had conquered Europe, had subjugated millions of people, was in the process of murdering millions of Jews, was poised to invade Great Britain, had Russia on the ropes. There is absolutely no comparison to the “threat” posed by Iraq. This is preposterous.
TRUMAN... finished that war and started one in Korea. North Korea
never attacked us. >From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average
of 18,334 per year.
North Korea invaded South Korea, our Ally. Also, the Korean War was a United Nations war, approved by the U.N. The war was also fought under the auspices of the Cold War, which indeed was a threat. Iraq was and never will be the threat that the Soviet Union was.
JOHN F. KENNEDY... started the Vietnam Conflict in 1962. Vietnam never
Using Vietnam is a little bald faced, since it was a disaster as well. We should never have gone to Vietnam, and we should never have gone to Iraq.
JOHNSON.. turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000
lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.
CLINTON... went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent. Bosnia
never attacked us. He was offered Osama Bin Laden's head on a platter,
three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple
There was ongoing genocide in progress in Bosnia when we invaded. Nothing like it was happening in Iraq. Iraq was a stable country when we invaded, there were no ongoing pogroms or genocide. While Saddam had done these things in the past, George Bush senior declined to invade to help the Shiites when they were happening, so conservatives cannot use this argument.
As for Osama Bin Laden, it is true that we could have done more with him in the past. But this argument is like saying it is ok for our guy to invade a country, kill thousands, waste billions of dollars on a mistake, because your guy failed to capture a terrorist. Doesn’t make any sense.
In the two years since terrorists attacked us:
PRESIDENT BUSH HAS... liberated two countries. Crushed the Taliban.
Crippled al-Qaida. Put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North
Korea without firing a shot and captured a terrorist who slaughtered
300,000 of his own people.
Afghanistan is a mess, there is nothing like liberation there. Most of the country is under the control of warlords. These same warlords were the guys that we were actually glad to see beaten by the Taliban years ago, because of their brutality. The Taliban are reconstituted in most of the country. If we had committed the resources we wasted in Iraq to the Afghanistani situation, then maybe things would be different there. Osama Bin Laden is likely still holed up in Afghanistan, that is how “liberated” it is. He is a little more dangerous to us than Saddam was.
Al Qaida is far from crippled. In fact a recent study out of England said that their fundraising has increased tenfold since the war in Iraq began. The war in Iraq has brought them thousands of new sympathizers and recruits, and we are in more danger today than we were before the war in Iraq started. If we had spent all that wasted effort and resources from Iraq in fighting Al Qaida, we might be safer today.
Libya did open up its nuclear program, but mostly because of economic pressure from Europe, since they wanted trade concessions there. I do not deny that the invasion of Iraq might have helped push them through that door, but it was not the prime reason. Iran and North Korea are even more closed and dangerous than ever before. They learned one thing from the Iraqi war, that is you can only escape American invasion if you do actually have nuclear bombs. Many experts agree that the nuclear programs in both of these countries has likely accelerated, as they are determined to get the bomb as soon as possible, so they can deter U.S. aggression.
Saddam Hussein was a terrible man, and no-one is sad to see him go. However these 300,000 of his own people is a number that comes from the Iraqi exiles lead by Chalabi, who has recently been accused of betraying the U.S. and giving intelligence to Iran. He is also the source of most of the U.S. intelligence on WMD in Iraq. Not a very credible source. Also, the mass graves that we have found were all from back in Bush Senior’s administration, when he encouraged the Shiites to rise up against Saddam, and then left them to their own devices when he cracked down.
The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...
It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the
Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51 day operation.
This is obviously an old article, since we are now over a year into the war. Bush claimed that the war was over a long time ago. Since then we have suffered 500 combat deaths.
We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less
time that it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing
Once again this is old information. We have been looking now for nearly a year and a half, and we now have full control of the country, we can go anywhere we want, talk to anyone we want. We have found nothing. Very few still cling to the idea that we will find anything.
It took less time for the 3rd infantry Division and the Marines to
destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call
the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.
Once again, we are a year and a half later, and 2 American soldiers are dying each and every day.
It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in
OUR COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF is doing a GREAT JOB! The Military moral is
high! The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to realize the facts.
Military morale is awful right now, once again this is old news. Bush just announced that all soldiers in Iraq who were at the end of their mission have been stop lossed, which means they are not allowed to go home to their families and retire.
American military has been involved in Geneva Convention violations with torture and sexual abuse. Their morale has been hit hard by that. American soldiers are increasingly willing to talk out about their moral problems. There are plenty of examples of that. Their morale is at an all time low.